Can PB deal with these issues now, before the summer sneaks up on us?
Now I feel like you are just trolling the PB people.
What do you mean? I think it is you that needs to learn how to deal with them. It’s a capitalist society and people are adapting to what they need to do to get in the front of the venue. I for one have nothing to do with the 24 hour line holding but I know what I need to do to get a decent spot.
What about sleepin in line dressed like a small bush… they will never know.
But really, how about a small hunters hut tent for 2 when it rains in line. you have to sit up, could that be legal, a small abode?
I think PBG should tarp the entire fest to bring folk together and reduce dust and half driven stakes that are an accident waitin to happen.
Yep you are right. Always the same issues for sure, and it is just not right to not address these issues. However I think they have been mulled over to death and unless you have a great solution, uhmmm. Fire away.
I do think the be one with your brother, be one with your tarp thing would be really good.
Oversize tarps = not a problem. If you see open space, go sit there. If the space isn’t open, who cares if it’s one tarp under the mass of people or 4?
Sleeping in line = not a problem. It’s been made clear to us that we are not in a campground when we are in line. That means no shelters and no sleeping. Those are the town rules we are supposed to abide by. If you happen to be sleeping, you might miss your chance to get a #. But we look out for each other and try to not let that happen.
So we’re told the rules and we try to make it look like we’re following them. They aren’t PB rules to enforce, they’re the town rules. If that bothers you, you should lobby your Marshal to come in and make sure nobody is sleeping. I don’t think you’ll get too far with that though.
As my grandfather used to say to me: If you have more complaints, take the elevator to the 5th floor and talk to the dummy. If he won’t help you, talk to the other dummy. If he won’t help you, jump out the window and land on your head: problem solved.
Oversized tarps?
So you want to limit people from putting up a tarp for 30 friends who spend the week together festival style? Impossible task, improbable request. The large tarps are put out usually by two or more people in line for a large group. I put out one for about 8-10 people myself, you wanna limit that?
There is a no sleeping policy, but if I happen to be in line and “rest my eyes” for a few minutes, I don’t see any problem with that.
Cant wait to see y’all, can’t be soon enough!
local–
you are more than likely very well intentioned and concerned about having the best experience possible for all involved,…
but,… it’s also impossible not to notice throughout several threads you are very skilled at tossing a hot potato in the middle of the ring and then just retreating to watch the response.
solutions, harmony, and smiles brother. c’mon, it’s TBF!! :cheers
Our family loved the large tarps closer to the front. We camped at the HS and never got our tarp that close, but we were welcomed on many large tarps for some of our favorite artists, especially Punch Brothers, Edgar Mayer (joined by Thile), and Thile/Daves. We love large tarps with friendly Festivarians!
Just shedding light on obvious problems. I’m happy, I have a ticket, I am just bringing up issues that will need to be addressed sooner or later. I don’t create the vibes. That’s up to the reader.
Based on the responses the issues you list are only obvious to you. Do you have any suggestions or specific complaints?
I’m trying to take you seriously, but your post sounds like…
Taxes and Regulations…will congress take care of these obvious issues before the session is over?
:huh
Bro, these are not obvious problems. People who let their dogs poo and don’t clean it up. That’s an obvious problem. There is a limit to the tarp size which has not been well enforced, probably because there are already more people for those tarps than they can fit. IM not so HO Planet Bluegrass has done well to balance between the letter and spirit of the law. How many groups set up a tarp up front and a shade hs. in the back? Is that an obvious problem? Cause I think it all works pretty well. I’ve sat up front on vacant tarps, joined groups, and been asked to push on due to space, good w/ this. Grabbed shade under a shade hs. no problem, glad I didn’t have to set it out. Now to wrap up obvious problem, the rush for the front at dusk:thirty. Could we slide our tarps forward at the appropriate break? Fully kidding, well not fully, just mostly. :rollin
local, you sound fun. :thumbsup
Someone please correct me if I’m wrong but I think the Planet eliminated the tarp size limit of 7ft by 7ft some years ago.
I’m not sure if I would want more people running to the same places with smaller tarps or the present mayhem, either way it’s mayhem. I’d give the, everybody do a seven by seven, and see how it works. Then again either a tarp up front or a shade hs. in the back, that might upset a few people. I don’t know what the right answers are, or who wants to police, if not everyone. Will everyone play by the rules? If the rules are most sensible and sensitive, and honest and fair, I think so. Takes a while to get there, low back chairs are easy fruit and I like that people in the back can use their mega-recliners. I love that the Festival promoters/ production/ participants have evolved well, tried things, failed, gestated, tried again, passed, room for improvement, improved. Many prayers, much faith, good works, forgiveness. Forward ever backward never, though looking back to learn, helpful.
While I also don’t believe the issues are “obvious”, I do believe they do in fact exist and are apparent if one stops to ponder the general notions of property, common area, social interaction, private/public partnerships, etc. … and in particular, taking pause to observe the subtle shades of how different individuals exhibit varying degrees of behavior with respect to rules governing acceptable use. I often find it extremely enlightening to observe the small things people do in large crowds … it’s telling about the particular individuals, people in general, as well as the nature of the crowd as a whole.
Although I concede such “issues” exist, I personally don’t believe they warrant any sort of extra-ordinary attention other than fine tuning … as it is clear to me that PB has made an effort to navigate the best/fairest course on these fronts. We all have our ideal configurations of how things ought to be, but aside from interacting with fellow festivarians, we really don’t have a “major balancing act” to contend with on a yearly basis. So, all things considered, I can’t really pick a bone with how the nuances of how order is kept … since I think it’s at the very least PG has implemented a reasonable approach.
The very BEST thing about TBF is the tarp rule!
" if you see an empty tarp, have a sit down for a tune or two". When the owners get back, have a shake and a howdy :cheers :flower
and if you are lucky :flower you are asked to stay if you wish or if there is no room after they arrive, they may ask you to move,just mosey along. :thumbsup
I will thank you in advance for your kindness :medal !
I plan on fully taking advantage of the empty tarp rule this summer.
A floating , dancing Butterfly, empty tarp to tarp :festivarian
One of the very first few fests I ever attended I remember my tarp mates goin for Beer and saying" we will be right back, watch the tarp".
What did I know :rolleyes, folks started movin in on me at break, so I laid down and stretched out to SAVE MY SPOT! OH NO, I WAS LOSEN! They were all around me now. Silly me :lol
I think it took a few years to trust the festivarian way. Share and respect space
What a concept. :flower
Word of the day: Nuance. Literally a beautiful part of a conversation at Cocina De Luz this morning, and now, and forever. :wave
The bottom line is this: Huge tarps waste space and force many people to sit a mile away from the stage. I’m not against all tarps or any of the in-line policy. I’m against HUGE tarps. I don’t care how many times people say “IF THERE’S SPACE YOU CAN SIT THERE” While this is the rule, most people feel intimidated and will not take their group and sit down on empty space. THAT IS THE REALITY!!! The other problem is that even if you do have the nerve to occupy empty space, you have the (probable) possibility that the party returns to claim their ‘saved’ spot on the tarp right when one of the bigger performances begin. Now you’re faced with having to leave when you least want to. As I’ve said before, a great solution would be to have a section near the front where 8’x10’ maximum tarps allowed only. This is similar to what the Strawberry festival does. It works well.
Generally speaking- and no I can’t prove it but you can mostly verify it- the folks who are most against the limiting tarp size have a long standing method in which they take turns in line and are thusly near the front armed with gigantic tarp. I still think it sucks that most of my friends have to sit in Keltyville when acres of empty space are used to store empty chairs, piles of extra festival stuff and what not.
Many will say “Wait in line like we do” if you wanna sit close. But most of us (with families etc) can’t do this. It’s just not viable.
Again, despite the rule that says otherwise, human nature dictates that most people will NOT use it because most people feel intimidated about occupying someone else’s space…even if it is WASTED SPACE.
A limited tarp size allows those who stand in line to get what they want without wasting space. I guarantee that if PB had a vote most people would be overwhelmingly for limiting size. It’s WIN WIN!