Will legalization in Colorado affect the festival?

… probably not much in reality :lol

But who knows, maybe KOTO will expand the beer booth to include a selection of green?

I’m guessing the stipulation about not partaking in public might make the point moot, but not sure if the festival grounds would be considered “private” (even though the land is public)?

:lol It’s funny to even think about having this discussion.

But in reality it’s at minimum it’s 2014 and likely far far in the future before we see retail stores, let alone “on-sale”…and even if we did, why would we want to taunt the feds…I vote YES on keep TBF off the federal radar! :lol

Strange times indeed!

I suspect that the “haze” over the festival will commence a bit earlier at future TBFs. I’m not aware of the passing of the law affording any liberties regarding the open sale of cannabis, though. I think there are federal statutes (which trump state laws) which prevent commercial sales; so, really, what does the passing of a law permitting the possession of a small amount of cannabis really amount to? Since I’m not a partaker of the ganja, its not really an issue for/to me.

Something tells me we won’t notice anything different. :wink:

I’m with Pilgrim99, I don’t think there will be much of a change to what you see now in the festival. With the exception of partaking in public, i.e. walking down the street. Witch really does not have anything to do with the festival. Besides, if your not a jerk about it the police don’t really give you any hassle about it now anyway. :thumbsup

I’m not 100% sure of the nuances, but I believe the State of Colorado has until July 1, 2013 to get it’s act together legislatively and administratively. If they haven’t, then municipalities can start forging ahead on their own by October 1, 2013. Again, I’m not exactly sure. Regardless, it’s looks like the 2013 TBF won’t be taking place with retail stores in operation (other than MMJ shops which are already in existence - and one would still need a card).

I suppose the only real difference this year might be if the grounds are considered “private” and it’s allowed to partake … which in reality won’t make any difference (unless you want to walk in through the pat down area while smoking).

If it turns out that Obama tries to “intercept” (yes, pun intended) the will of the Colorado voters, then I say let’s skip the taunting level & bring it on all the way to the SCOTUS!

I am less concerned about being on the Feds’ radar vs. having the festival located in what will be the “New Amsterdam” … the spike in demand might dwarf anything we’ve ever seen if it’s just Colorado (Washington). Perhaps some of the people who come mostly to experience a pot haven will “get it” (i.e. festivarian spirit), but my suspicion is there will be a good many who don’t & simply want to injest/party until they pass out.

I think the only effect you’ll see is that it is now legal (per the state, anyway) to possess up to an ounce of pot. If they pat you down and find it, they can’t throw you in jail for it anymore.

This might motivate me to apply for a vendor’s booth. Fritos, Oreos, Bugles, etc.

Any menu suggestions would be appreciated!

Gov. Hickenlooper is partial to Cheetos.

… and Gold Fish. :wink:

Exactly. Just like if you got caught trying to sneak a beer in.
Dump it out over there Dumbass…
Instead of Officer O’Malley who just happens to be
volunteering finds that this is interesting to him…

The same type of initiative was voted on here in California in 2010. I voted against it, and it failed statewide. The reason I was opposed, despite being a partaker, is that I don’t trust the gubmint to not Eff up the Kush. First of all they’d get their tax jones on it, then decree it had to be below a certain THC threshold, and most importantly they would come up with a field sobriety test for cannabis. And you know their legal limit would translate into something you could have consumed three weeks ago.

Don’t get me wrong, the war on drugs has been a colossal failure. And in a perfect world, the gubmint should allow you to put whatever you choose into your body. But we don’t live in a perfect world and our pols are so fubar that I don’t trust them with a burnt match.


Having said that, I bet Sister’s Dumplings could whip up a killer Deep Dank Dumpling!!

I agree with you about the feds stanking it up. From what I’ve heard, Colorado’s medical marijuana laws haven’t done anything to reduce the quality of the pot here, though. As most people know who have partaken in Colorado, this state produces some first rate stuff, probably thanks in part to the medical MJ business. When pot sales are above-board and legal, I think you’ll see a lot of competition among growers to produce even better-quality stuff. And don’t forget that it is legal right now in Colorado to grow your own – up to 6 plants, and 3 can be mature. I think you can also legally give – not sell – up to an ounce to your friends. Pass the love around. The government can’t really regulate THC levels and such with that kind of law on the books. Hopefully Colorado can write the recreational laws to discourage federal intervention and keep the state government influence to a minimum.

I believe the Governor still has to sign something or another in a few weeks to make it all official, and you never know what’s going to happen between now and then … just sayin’ it might be wise to wait a month before getting your setup going.

I’ve heard some people make similar claims about the amendment not being “ideal” … however, the way I look at it is as long as we made a “break through” that’s all that really matters. If it turns out that in 5 years it’s legal at the fed level and other states have made similar strides (with better legislation), then Colorado can revise the amendment (even though it would be a PITA). It just had to start somewhere.

Taco Bell setting up a booth too?

I believe the Governor still has to sign something or another in a few weeks to make it all official, and you never know what's going to happen between now and then ... just sayin' it might be wise to wait a month before getting your setup going.

I’ve heard some people make similar claims about the amendment not being “ideal” … however, the way I look at it is as long as we made a “break through” that’s all that really matters. If it turns out that in 5 years it’s legal at the fed level and other states have made similar strides (with better legislation), then Colorado can revise the amendment (even though it would be a PITA). It just had to start somewhere.

The Guv still has to sign it into law, however I think that AJ has already done so, years ago.

They have about a year to figure out how to regulate it, etc. So, no shops will be opening before 2013.

You are able possess up to 1 oz as soon as he signs it. You are not allowed to give it away, however, how you can be stopped, I dunno. You are able to possess 3 immature and 3 mature plants. You are not allowed to partake in public, but only in the privacy of your home. The THC level cannot be greater than .3%. The rest of the law deals with commercial manufacture and sale, etc.

Interestingly, Hemp is still illegal, and won’t be in front of the legislature until 2014.

In Boulder County, the Amendment passed with such an overwhelming majority, that the DA dropped all pending MJ related cases, without ballot certification from the Guv. (Just read today 11/16, that Denver County has dropped all cases too).

I suspect that this summer and future summers at TBF will be relatively unchanged. The folks that are currently tokin’ will continue, T-ride has typically looked the other way unless there are problems, but pot smokers rarely cause problems, unless alcohol or other drugs are in the mix.

I sincerely doubt that there will be many new smokers, that have been set free by the constraints of deterrence.

I saw that too, Mel. Unfortunately, our DA here in Routt County (Steamboat) has decided to move forward with existing petty MJ possession cases. As a former DA (back in Texas – ancient history), this really disturbs me. While it was illegal at the time of the offense, it’s legal now (or will be soon), and there’s a very good chance that juries will find these people not guilty. What that does is force defendants to take their case to trial if they want to get the charges dismissed. Poorer defendants will end up pleading out, getting punished, and having the offense on their record because they can’t afford the attorney’s fees for a trial, even though they would have a good shot at acquittal if they pushed the case to trial. Wealthier defendants can afford a jury trial, and will probably get acquitted. Either way, it just doesn’t seem fair that these people have to go through the expense, stress, and humiliation when the voters of this state have already decided that what they did isn’t a crime.

Sorry for the soap box. This sort of unfairness just gets me steamed, especially when all those resources we use to prosecute the tokers can be used to fight, you know, actual crime. Can you tell I was never cut out to be a prosecutor? :wink: I say, smoke 'em if you got 'em.

As the daughter of a Mormon attorney who had me trained at age 5 to tell strangers that I was to become the first female supreme court justice, I can relate to not being cut out for prosecution.

There must be a benefit to continuing with the prosecutions, I’m assuming that they stand to make money on the cases, although I can’t imagine that its worth it.

To continue to prosecute under the “spirit of the [existing] law” is silly.

It’s also less cost effective. It costs the court system every time they have to prosecute a case regardless of how petty the crime is. It would save the taxpayers and the county money if they would just drop the cases but some DA’s have such a big ego they can’t let them go. :slight_smile:

That’s pretty much the long and short of it, Tom. I used to work for one of those “big ego” DAs in Texas, and every decision we peons made was centered not around what was ethical and right, but what would make “The Elected” look good. It was so, so wrong.

In the end, the egos in our local governments will just have to suck it up. My county went something like 63% in favor of Amendment 64. (I’m sure San Miguel County’s was similar.) As much as it pains the local powers that be, they’ll eventually have to submit to the will of the people. :cheers